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Jimmy's avatar

Thanks for writing this. I have noticed this statement and its attempt to gain a sense of momentum; but I don't see how it holds any weight? I understand your points and approach that you presented in the piece itself, but if I isolate the argument by itself it has little to any significant meaning, am I wrong in stating that? When a carnist elects to use this "well what about crop deaths" to justify their consumption for meat and or demonstrate their lack of comprehending the complex-multifaceted arrangement of sharing this planet with other living beings. In other words, is it that hard for people to step back and make an attempt to empathize, just a touch for animals? I am not suggesting moral or religious tones here either, just a quick glimpse into the life of animals who are confined, and killed 24/7 for humans. If the carnist is trying to get me to see an empathetic perspective on the "crop deaths" or "insect deaths" I am having trouble to see that comparatively. Help me understand.

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Angus Taylor's avatar

Thanks -- a good piece about the psychology of the crop deaths retort.

Here's something I wrote about the complex issue of crop deaths: https://www.uvic.ca/law/asri/resources-education/research-outputs/should-vegans-eat-meat-to-kill-fewer-animals/index.php# .

Regarding your expression "high carriages" instead of "high horses". I think this sounds a little contrived, and there's also a problem: a carriage is typically a horse-drawn vehicle, so you're not eliminating the association with using animals, if that's what you wanted to do.

As you may know, Peter Singer, being a utilitarian, is strictly speaking not an advocate of animal rights. The landmark work on animal rights is Tom Regan's The Case for Animal Rights (1983), 400 pages in length and not as easy a read as Singer's book. A very basic introduction to Regan's view can be found here: http://www.animal-rights-library.com/texts-m/regan03.htm .

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